Kuhns tie grabbers

Just about ready to take the plunge on a Kuhn's accumulator setup, and was wondering what the general consensus was on getting a tie grabber to round out the suite? I'm planning on going for the 1234F behind my Hesston inline, and stack with an S250 Bobcat in the barn.

 

Those that have the tie grabber, do you find it was worth the additional 5k or so? Do you find that the tied bundles are solid enough as-is on wagons without any further restraint going along bumpy lanes and out on the road? Admittedly, there's only about 1/2 a mile from any of my hay fields to the hay barn.

 

Those that just run the regular grapple, same question? Do you get enough stability just offsetting along the back rack of your wagon?

 

Bonus question: What size wagons are you using?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Kuhns tie grabbers